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Tuesday, November 19, 2013

Champion Motors (re)call

No Fabia but still plenty to say :-)


Follow up on recent post about chain issue.
My guess that Champion Motors thinks that their car owners are stupid idiots and that is why...

A friend of mine called two days ago to Champion Motors - official VW AG importer in Israel.
He read few links that I've sent him regarding chain issue (before my post) and decided to check what happening in Israel.

Phone conversation:
Friend (F): Calling to customers service *6363.
F: -  Hello I hear strange metallic sounds on cold start from bonnet. It can be related to widely known problem with chain.
Champion Motors (CM): - If there is Check Engine lamp is on?
F: - No.
CM: - We don't know about any issues related to chain. The only known recall is about DSG transmissions.
F: - But in other countries is known issue.
CM: We will check and come back later.

It was in morning.
In the evening he got call from Champion Motors:
Tali (T): Hello. What kind of problem do you have?
Friend (F): I hear strange noises from bonnet when starting engine. Does chain replacement covered by guarantee?
T: We just got instructions 30 min ago about chain issue and this is covered by guarantee. Please, go to Skoda service for checking. Also, service garages not yet received this information, so if replacement should be performed and you have money issues, please call me 073-257-5236 personally.

Oh common...
Earliest TPIs dated from April 2012 and you just got instructions 30 minutes ago...
And services not aware of...

I say BULLSHIT! :-)

Update (2013-11-28)
Chain replacement without guarantee coverage will cost 2,900 NIS (~$800). Including VAT and labor. Checked in Skoda service in Haifa.

Another man recently did chain replacement on Skoda Yeti 1.2 TSI. Instead of 4 hours it took only 2.
They did not recorded chain sound as they usually do and send to Skoda for verdict.
And another chat with clowns from Champion Motors. When chain was replaced, garage called to customers service to ask about price and who will pay...
Customers Service (CS): - Is this a good client?
Skoda Garage: - Yes.
CS: - So all on us - parts and labor. Free for the client!

So if you a bad customer (like me, probably :-) - prepare 3 grands of new Israeli shekels... But as I know from forums, replacement not always helps and issue can come again after a while.

Sunday, November 17, 2013

Engine rattling noises when starting engine

Source: http://volkswagen.msk.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=176433&view=findpost&p=3031289
Last few month I hear a lot about this VW fuckup. I knew this before but recently a lot of TSI owners bring this up.
If you happen to hear same sound like on video when you cold starting your TSI car, keep reading.
More videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRg7pEErjHQ (1.2 TSI)
Don't confuse with fuel pump fail - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgNkolvCR_U

The reason is chain lengthened.
As consequences: chain can jump few teeth and valves can meet pistons.

If owner come to dealer with this strange sound, they replace to new improved chain, tension and chain cover with protection from jumping. Even if guarantee is over they do it for free upto 3 or 5 years, I don't remember.

How to avoid it or to delay this issue? Yes, it will happen if your engine was build upto 2011-11-01, see attached TPI below to check your engine serial number if it has upgraded chain set. Always use hand brake when parking! Do not park your car with gearbox only.

Person, who works in VW dealership, advised about these life time of chain:
1.2 TSI - 30'000 km
1.4 TSI - 80'000 km
1.8 TSI - 120'000 km
2.0 TSI - 120'000 km

I can add only that I drove a little more than 30'000 km on my Fabia and I have no issue with it. New owner came yesterday at 53kkm - no issue yet.

Now, I found some assumption that chain condition can be diagnosed with VCDS.
ECU continuously adapting to chain length checking valve open/closed angles. If they exceeds limits - check engine will light up with error "P150D00 chain elongation".
After replacement you should erase adaptation values. There is a message from VAS tool that confirm this: "If the adaptation values are not erased after the timing chain has been replaced and/or worked on, damage to the engine can result. It is absolutely essential that you follow and observe the instructions and notes in the Repair Manual!".

Another interesting information I found that on new 1.2 TSI engines (code CJZB), they will use... toothed belt! :-) VW commented: "replacing the original timing chain mass given argument is that the belt drive is quieter, noise when driving is more quiet."

And we did some research.
Params to watch: Address 01 - Engine (J623-CBZB)
270 X_Intake_camshaft_signaledge_position_adapted_value_Edge2
271 X_Intake_camshaft_signaledge_position_adapted_value_Edge3
272 X_Intake_camshaft_signaledge_position_adapted_value_Edge4
273 X_Intake_camshaft_signaledge_position_adapted_value_Edge5
274 X_Intake_camshaft_signaledge_position_adapted_value_Edge6
275 X_Intake_camshaft_signaledge_position_adapted_value_Edge7
276 X_Intake_camshaft_signaledge_position_adapted_value_Edge8

Case 1 - Skoda Yeti, 1.2 TSI, DSG
1. Before chain change - angels are huge!

2. After chain change

3. 600km after chain change


Case 2 - Skoda Fabia (Mk2), 1.2 TSI (CBZB), Manual gearbox, 53'301 km
This is mine Fabia, the I did yesterday oil change service for him and we took readings. No rattling, normal values.


Case 3 - Skoda Fabia (Mk2), 1.2 TSI (CBZB), Manual gearbox, 46'606 km.
Friend from Haifa. No rattling, normal values.

Case 4 - Skoda Octavia (Mk2), 1.2 TSI (CBZB), DSG-7.
Friend from Beer Sheva. Hi did chain replacement just in case. No rattling, normal values.
1. Before chain change

2. After chain change


Technical product information (TPI) downloads:
TPI 2026513-8 - Engine rattling noises when starting engine (ENG)
TPI 2026513-8 - Engine rattling noises when starting engine (RUS)
Also related TPIs (not all with files): 2029226/1, 2024434/9 (2012-09-10), 2026741/3 (2012-04-17), 2026513/5 (2012-10-01)

Threads
http://www.club-yeti.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=1347 (Russian)
http://volkswagen.msk.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=176433 (Russian)
https://www.facebook.com/skoda/posts/394900147269119 (English)

Other links:
VCDS params for Fabia

Thursday, September 19, 2013

Real-world fuel consumption

Imported all data I have into SpritMonitor.

Click to see all fuel fillings.

I got also profile at Fuelly but they are not support imports, so no data for them :-p
https://www.fuelly.com/driver/alexeybass/

Tuesday, September 10, 2013

5J1 035 623A Cruise Control

Pictures of cruise control set.


Inside is new steering wheel selector with CC buttons.





A new BCM unit.




And wires with tightening tapes.




Old BCM that was installed in Fabia and haven't CC support is this one.

To know if your old unit is capable of CC and just need activation, you can use VCDS cable or just unplug BCM from below steering wheel, but do that carefully.

Fitting manual is here.

Monday, September 9, 2013

Skoda Hagoren garage fail

Forgot to tell you guys. Think twice if you go to Hagoren garage in Netanya, official Skoda service station.

If you remember, a while ago I got cruise control kit from Russia that I wanted to install on Fabia. But because of safe on ECU and work needed to be done with wiring, removing air-bag and steering wheel I decided to do that officially at Hagoren in Netanya where I was several times (and each time something fun :-). Where the manager says "who brings his own meat to the steak bar" about bringing oil for service. Such a fail, but now about other thing.

So I made an appointment at 19 Feb 2013 7:30 for fitting cruise control with Alexander Lamberski. I came, give him CC set, he said that's the right items and I went home waiting for his call. He said it will take few hours.
At around 12:00 I got a call from Ituran that ECU was disconnected, they track such cases because that's what thefts do when stilling cars - replace ECUs with donors blocks to bypass immobilizer. And around 13 I called to check how is going, he said car is ready and waiting for me with cruise control installed.
I came happy, paid 700 NIS without checking the car.

Grabbed the keys and turned engine on, put 1st gear towards home... And was curious why speedometer is not working and car reacts very strange on gas - feeling was it getting more fuel and more powerful.
I turned back to Garage. What a fuck? I asked them what's wrong with the car. They took it inside like it what should be happened, no test drive. They knew something was wrong. They connected to VAS and was making feeling that they do something until 16 when they closing garage and asked me to come next day at morning. And said you can safely go home.

I drove home. Car was strange. I guess because speed indication was failed ECU was thinking it's always at idle and washing fuel like waterfall all the way. Car got such a boost, but RPMs was limited to 4000. Another indication that it's idle mode.

At home I connected with VCDS and was shocked. There were errors and bad readiness.
Wednesday,20,February,2013,13:20:40:37412
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.0 (x64)
Data version: 20111111

Readiness Status: 0110 0101
Exhaust Gas Recirculation: Passed
Oxygen Sensor Heating: Failed or Incomplete
Oxygen Sensor(s): Failed or Incomplete
Air Conditioning: Passed
Seconday Air Injection: Passed
Evaporative Emissions: Failed or Incomplete
Catalyst Heating: Passed
Catalytic Converter(s): Failed or Incomplete

Engine was working in open loop O2 sensor. No fuel corrections. I didn't go that day to work because of car issues, I was need to drive to Haifa.

Next day morning 20 Feb 2013 I came at morning for checks. Another day spent for nothing. I remind, I already paid for work done. After their manipulations with VAS, I checked and saw the same picture with errors. I asked to put back electronic module without cruise control. And it worked perfectly again. For my notes that probably you have to call to central Skoda garage or Czech Republic (you fucking official Skoda, you should have communication support channels) to make it work I got reply that they know what they doing.
We decided to wait and try again when I will come back from Russia in March.

14 of March 2013. I gave them car at 8:30 till they called me and said to take it. When I came, they, sorry, Alexander said me in the face that my cruise control set that I got from Russia is broken and that is the issue. We put the old PCM in place and I went home. 3rd working day to trash.

At home I made a decision to go to central Champion Motors Skoda garage. I didn't believe that my set was broker. Appointment was made to 2nd of April 2013. I took the risk to spent more money but get it done.

Forgot to mention, as I got dashcam all was filmed in garage too. Their test drive is 200m from garage gate to intersection and back - you can't even test cruise control in that condition, because you need to spin wheels to  least 30 km/h to activate it.

So I came to Petah Tikva at morning. Explained again the issue. Steering wheel selector was already in place, all wirings too. Only PCM was not working. This time I took my working laptop and guy who met me Valery even gave me personal room that was empty that day, not their lobby and waiting room. I was happy. But it turns out that it will take more and more time. From dashcam later I saw that all work was done probably in 2-3 hours but because of lunch and car movement and some guys checking things it was spread to whole day. At 16 I got my Fabia with everything working... except second keys set. Yes, always bring second keys set if you know that there should be some work for remapping electrical units. Unfortunately, Skoda technicians already gone but lucky me on second floor was Audi garage and they called someone to register my second keys with the car.

I paid for this 477. And I was happy. Valery even went with me for test drive t check that everything is working. We did few kilometers test to insure it does. I would recommend that garage. I also liked how car flow is planed inside.

But... Next day I jump by Hagoren to say hello to Alexander, he was on lunch. A left him note with two paychecks. And few days after their receptionist called me to come get money back - 477 NIS.


But nobody called to explain or sorry for what they did. That's 3 work days I left there. I can't let them to work on my car without me, sorry.

That's a huge fail. I don't know what they can do right, actually. On first service they replaced original VW oil filter to some cheap shit, I was around and saw this and they put new original one. Probably only print invoices...

And last thing for today. When you install something in your car like cruise control set, check your insurance policy for options. In mine from Phenix, I can add additional equipment and insure it for free up to 7.5% of car cost. That means, you should take offer from garage for installation cost, send it to your insurance (agent or company) and if, unfortunately, car will be stolen, you will get your extra 3,179 NIS for cruise control too! Worth it!